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Tarteel – AI-powered Quran companion (tarteel.ai)
95 points by nraf on May 21, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 31 comments



Great job. This is a very interesting topic to explore. Does the app use a custom built model for Arabic or does it use Whisper or another general purpose model?


I’m not involved in the project, I’ve just been using it recently and was surprised to see it hadn’t been posted on HN.

It uses Whisper from what I can tell, they’ve released a few models on huggingface: https://huggingface.co/tarteel-ai



I'm not into the topic of religious text memorization but I do think the tech is pretty neat and could be really helpful in other areas.

I hope they explore those alternative applications.


Nice. How about this. This is essentially a shazam for the Quran. Right?

So how about this.

You are watching TV, you hear someone recite a verse and you use tarteel to find out the verse and find where in the Quran it's at. (Right now it can do that) so along with mistakes, it should give tafsir and insight into the verse, like when it came to be or any story surrounding the verse, any other connecting verse to the current one hyperlinking them.

You can have stuff like supplementary hadith that are on the topic of the verse and how there are various sahih and da'if hadith that all claim to say something but how they link back to the verse.

Sounds too much for a single app but why not give it a try?


great product built by a great team. I personally haven’t used it, but many of my friends do and praise it.

Congrats to the Tarteel team. Allahumma Baarik


This app is great for easily jumping to a section by reciting a part of a verse. The mistake detection is also decent. Would be interesting to see if tajweed training and mistake detection could be integrated.


I can’t find their privacy policy for the users


it's in the website footer and the link is provided in app store description [1]

[1] https://www.tarteel.ai/privacy


> We collect “Non- Personal Information” and “Personal Information.” Non- Personal Information includes information that cannot be used to personally identify you, such as anonymous usage data, general demographic information we may collect, referring/exit pages and URLs, platform types, preferences you submit and preferences that are generated based on the data you submit and number of clicks. Personal Information includes the voice recordings which you submit to us through the use of the Site, demographic information that you provide, IP addresses, as well as your email when you elect to join the mailing list or create an account.

That's a no for me dawg.


Impressive, it was only about time!


But which shikh did this AI get it's igaza from? :)


i just wonder what is Islam's opinion on AI


AI at the end of the day is a term that describes a lot of tools that has something in common. Islamic opinion will depend on how you use this tool for. If you are developing a drone swarm that will be used to kill people in the war or if you are developing a robot swarm to help do difficult jobs inside factories. It might be the same concept or technology but the usage is very different from Islamic perspective.

Another example is the usage of famous ChatGPT. A student can use it to correct English mistakes or for some help in their school work or they can use it to cheat and produce the full homework or exam. People can use it to write and publish porn stories or can use it to help them write a useful book. Islam also put a special important on intent of the action.


Asked a Islamic friend: the consensus is, that it is another tool, like a knife, can be used for good and bad.

Well that's one opinion; bet you can find another option that's totally different


Why would a religion invented 1200 years before AI have any opinions about AI?


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I'm guessing you think this because as you've stated elsewhere you were taught in Iran, where they often opt for 'tafsir batiniyya' (esoteric interpretation) as opposed to just taking the texts at their dhahir (apparent) meaning. You might find the works of someone like Ibn Hazm refreshing, since he talks about this sort of thing alot.

The practice of people divorcing texts from their linguistic meaning isn't something unique to the Qur'an, by that logic anything can mean anything and it's very useful for certain people, but since you're obviously able to understand what I'm saying there has to be some underlying structure.


This is a dishonest Sunni talking point. There is no apparent interpretation of every verse.

Simple example: aleph lam meem.

And verses you can't take literally: 18:85-86.

So apparent just means a regurgitation of the Sunni interpretation.


And this response gets a dishonest "nuh uh it's not" without any justification as expected.


>There is no apparent interpretation of every verse.

There not being an apparent interpretation of 'alif lam meem' doesn't necessitate an esoteric interpretation, which is what I'm arguing.

>And verses you can't take literally: 18:85-86.

Linguistically it's very clear what the Arabic means here.

>So apparent just means a regurgitation of the Sunni interpretation.

No, it means the most obvious meaning of a statement according to the Arabic.


According to my apparent interpretation: First verse is meaningless. Latter verses are plain wrong.


If you want to make random claims I can't really stop you, idk what you want me to tell you


So you think we should take the part of Quran which says beat your wives if they disobey you at face value?


You shouldn't take a 'part' at face value you should take the whole at face value (that is to say, including any other texts that outwardly state what kind of striking people are permitted to engage in), but yes there is a kind of striking of the wife that Allah permitted and anyone who denies this is illiterate or coping.


What a bewildering statement. Have you actually read the Quran?


Yes, I was forced to read Quran as a child in school in Iran.


Literally no reader says this, because they know how much explanation is needed for the verses to make sense today. There are entire industries providing tafsir.

Please do read it yourself before questioning others with your kneejerk reactions.


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Why this is relevant?


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Not defending Muhammad or Islam, but there is at least some recent opinion in academia that the entire story was fabricated for political reasons. An interesting read!

https://newlinesmag.com/essays/oxford-study-sheds-light-on-m...


Pretty sure that there are also recent studies questioning if the guy ever existed.


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No, people don't reject child marriages just because they don't like it, it is medically known to be harmful and children can't consent.

Further, moral relativism is a dangerous and absurd position to hold. It might be convenient in excusing something you hold that's controversial but it also means a group of people can use it to defend any position at all they have. Any familiarity with what we humans have done and do should tell you this won't be about excusing disagreements over irrelevant things like ice-cream flavors.




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