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Self-employed, business registered in another country where you don't live, your business bank accounts and personal bank accounts in countries where neither you nor the business live, declare no taxes or declare zero revenue.

This means you and your business will have to be self-sufficient. You're not going to have access to loans or investors. But you'll be out of the claws of the system and as free as can be.


After a bit of searching, apparently there is www.find.coop. I see most of the communities are in New York City. I'm sure they will welcome you in, just be sure to bring some money.


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Yet you participate in society, curious


> Yet you participate in society, curious

Sorry - not following.



Oh, I see. Thanks. Sadly that comic doesn't have any logic behind it. It's just to get you to memorise "this is how you should feel about people who make this argument".


The question is literally about escaping capitalism so it seems a fair response. "How do I complain about capitalism" is a different question and much easier to do.


It's not a fair response. It's a consistently obnoxious response to people actively searching for a better world. Like, no shit your computer is produced under capitalism...that's the active and dominant mode of production. If you want to escape it, you don't escape the things produced by it, you actively work towards changing the way those things are produced.

There is nothing meaningful or useful about the above response.

"Oh, you don't like air pollution? Why do you keep breathing then??"


No, it's a facetious response to those who want to experiment with billions of people's lives to replace capitalism which has brought so many people out of poverty and hunger with an unstated system that will most likely resemble communism which will again starve hundreds of millions as it has countless of times.

People can and do operate a commune within a capitalistic society. Go in with other people and buy some land to live off, make a contract to share all property. You can't do the inverse in a communistic society.

But no, we all have to do it or it won't work, because apparently it's only possible at scale and it can't be explained until then. Convenient.

So don't act like you can't go live life in a commune today, you can, just people don't, because capitalistic life is more comfortable.

They'd rather complain online about other people's lives, using their iPhone, drinking Starbucks, thinking about how know best for all more than the great minds that created the society they take for granted.


> those who want to experiment with billions of people's lives

Sorry, but you don't know that this is the method of anybody the response is targeted at. It's an ill-formed assumption, and many people are interested in counteracting the apparent and obvious detrimental aspects of capitalist society without violent revolution and totalitarian regimes.

> People can and do operate a commune within a capitalistic society.

Cool, good for them. Escapism isn't necessarily the goal, though. Obviously it depends on the person.

> You can't do the inverse in a communistic society.

Communism is the "free association of producers." If the producers wish to assign dictatorial control of their factory to one person and sell their labor to that person in exchange for a wage based on paper money, they are free to do so. But why would anybody willingly engage in this arrangement unless there is no alternative?

> They'd rather complain online about other people's lives, using their iPhone, drinking Starbucks, thinking about how know best for all

You have created a stereotype and are reinforcing it here. It's based in nothing.

> more than the great minds that created the society they take for granted.

Wait, capitalism was a constructed system? My impression is that it's a somewhat emergent system that started with feudalism and grew from there.


> Communism is the "free association of producers."

This sounds very hand-wavy. Why isn't capitalism this?


Capitalism is the free association of property owners.


No, capitalism isn't like air pollution in that analogy. It's more like "Oh you don't like air? Why do you keep breathing then?"


Lol yeah, capitalism == air. Odd how people lived for thousands of years without air...


You've sadly lost sight of the analogy.


Perhaps there is a tree bark scroll somewhere... using lampblack ink... written by candlelight from wild bees' wax? Erm, which language is the least capitalist?


Maybe "What is to be done" by VI Lenin would be a good place to start. Though of course there are many such guides that don't always agree.


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That's not a good list because 3-8 are highly dependent on capitalism for their economies to function. They might have various levels of state control, but they are very much capitalism. Cuba and North Korea are much purer examples, though they relay on foreign production to some limited extent.


Most products are created in capitalism, so it seems like a weird way to judge alternate economic systems.


You may be right, I don't back the list but don't think it's bad. "They might have various levels of state control" opens the door to broad definition of capitalism and I'm not sure domestic production of everything would be a requirement, but maybe.


Why do you think all of these nations are not capitalistic in nature?


Wild that you try to include one of the most capitalist countries on earth, second in the number of billionaires only behind the USA, on the back of the fact that they have one-party rule with the word communist slapped onto it. The general (and often wilful) ignorance around the topic is astounding.


I feel like this is really dependent on what you understand by "capitalism". Pretty sure the Marxists in the Communist Party of China would not consider what they do there capitalism.


Please share your ranking criteria. Is it billionaires per capita?


Do you actually think e.g. Vietnam or China are not engaged in capitalism, or is this just some culture war leaking into HN?




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