Plato, Gorgias, section 462b

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[462b]

Socrates
So now, take whichever course you like: either put questions, or answer them.

Polus
Well, I will do as you say. So answer me this, Socrates: since you think that Gorgias is at a loss about rhetoric, what is your own account of it?

Socrates
Are you asking what art I call it?

Polus
Yes.

Socrates
None at all, I consider, Polus, if you would have the honest truth.

Polus
But what do you consider rhetoric to be?

Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 3 translated by W.R.M. Lamb. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1967.

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