Plato, Gorgias, section 463e

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[463e] grasp your meaning either.

Socrates
And no wonder, Gorgias, for as yet my statement is not at all clear; but Polus¹ here is so young and fresh!

Gorgias
Ah, do not mind him; but tell me what you mean by rhetoric being a semblance of a branch of politics.

Socrates
Well, I will try to express what rhetoric appears to me to be: if it is not in fact what I say, Polus here will refute me. There are things, I suppose, that you call body and soul?

1 Socrates alludes to the meaning of πῶλος (a colt).

Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 3 translated by W.R.M. Lamb. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1967.

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